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I'm still chewing over the issue of 'settling'.

My mother, and my aunts, understand what the word "settle" means, but the colloquial phrase, as used by Gottlieb, and understood by both me and the people who posted on this thread here, was not familiar to them. They were, of course, expected to marry; they were, of course, expected not to have sex until they were married; they were expected to be good girls, and they had the usual contemptible and completely enraging words for the not good girls.

(My mother and I had a number of arguments, debates, and all-out screaming fights when I was a young teenager because she'd raised me to be relatively practical and relatively logical, and some of those phrases struck me as sexist, hugely gender-biased, and entirely unfair. My father would very quietly pick up the newspaper and head out to the living room when we talked about these things because a) he had no opinions to offer and b) the words could easily become incendiary.)

But my mother's generation didn't use the term "settling" in the same way. And it occurs to me that there are reasons for that, one being that women were not considered capable of their own upkeep away from their parent's house; marriage wasn't a matter of romantic love; it was a matter of necessity, like finding a job. This, by the way, is not the way it was ever presented to me; this is hindsight. It was important to my mother that we all marry for love.

Yes, that was a digression.

What I am still wondering, however, is why "settling" has no real male counterpart. I asked my husband about it, and he understands and recognizes the term -- but it's a term that women use, and they apply it to other women. So I asked him what the male equivalent was. There was some silence and some thought, and then he admitted that no male equivalent came to mind.

So I asked him why.

He said that men in general don't talk to each other about relationships or relationship issues; they don't talk about their marriages, their wives, or, once they're no longer teenage boys, their sex life. If they're talking about relationship issues, they're almost always talking to women.

So... why is this? Is it just the cultural context, that leftover conditioning that still requires women to be in relationships to be happy? Men are often lonely; is it just the social pressure not to talk about these things that prevents them from entering the same types of conversations, or are these conversations inherently pointless or boring?

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msagara
Mar. 13th, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
Re: My $0.02
Dumping "men" and "women" into two well delineated categories as if you're sorting ones and zeroes is pretty dumb. We're a big techicolour rainbow gradient. Social pressures are going to shift things around but saying that men don't settle or that men don't have a concept for settling is like saying that women are hysterical or irrational or can't do heavy lifting.

/bonk

I don't think I was dumping men into a well delineated category so much as trying to understand what the male equivalent on something like the Gottlieb article would be, which I think is a valid line of enquiry, given that the responses here were all from women, except for radiotelescope who clearly stated that he was articulating a response to advice that was given him by a female friend. Any response or conversation on LJ is going to be annecdotal because of the size of the group. I take as a given that a general question deals with generalities, and I was possibly (well, okay, entirely) less than perfectly clear about the origin of the thought, which was that no one male had ventured much of an opinion about it here.

Which lead me to poke my husband, which led me to ask on LJ.